Just think of General Motors, especially as it was constituted then, I don't know what it's like now, I haven't kept up with it, but just, you had Buick, you had Chevrolet, you had AC Spark Plug, which was in the parts, very important, you had, Fisher One, which was the most important body plant in the country that with Cleveland really controlled the Chevy production.

So you see, no, Flint was a natural choice if you're going to hit General Motors, Flint was the choice. Well, nobody wanted to go there, and they thought Mortimer, he's crazy, he's a communist so....

[interviewer] So he, he was kind of ready and willing to take the plant but a lot of other people thought it was poor judgment because it was so hard to organize.

Hard to organize? Impossible to organize. You don't realize, Mort would get all kinds of messages, you know, they'd leave messages, "get out of here...."

Show Transcript Speaker: Henry Kraus. Interviewed by U-M Flint Labor History Project. Date of interview: 5-5-1982. Edited by Michael Van Dyke.

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